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00:19 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably Howard folks, Stephen I talk about the first season of Windows Bay today.
00:24 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: This will be our last podcast for a while.
00:26 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I am relocating back to my hometown in California.
00:30 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That means I'm going to sell my house and drive across the country and move into a new place and all that takes time.
00:36 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know when Stephen I will podcast again, but it'll be well after I am settled in California.
00:43 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So this podcast feed will slumber for a while.
00:47 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully not as long as the island on Widows Bay, but when we come back, we'll be alive and kicking and our movies will be as horrific as ever.
00:56 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I probably don't have to tell you this, but the lorehounds are doing excellent coverage of House of the Dragon, search for lorehounds, House of the Dragon, wherever you search for podcasts.
01:06 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And now, my friend in yours, stand up comic, Steve Osborne.
01:12 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So Steve, last we talked about Widows Bay.
01:15 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We had only watched through the fourth episode.
01:18 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, not even half.
01:20 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right, not even half.
01:21 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So today we will talk about everything through season one.
01:26 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So spoilers through season one.
01:29 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say a brief word about every one of these episodes with
01:35 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of following the key themes and the plot developments.
01:40 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kind of curious about what about each episode was memorable or struck you as interesting or tickled your fancy.
01:49 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: How's that sound?
01:51 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds great.
01:52 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go blow my nose.
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02:27 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: find him a rehab program that works for him so he can make better life choices.
02:32 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean that's that's afternoon behavior.
02:36 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So shaving is headed with a rusty razor.
02:38 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_01]: What does that happen?
02:40 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's a metaphor.
02:44 --> 02:44 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:45 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
02:45 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's begin with just general impressions of the season.
02:52 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved this season of television.
02:55 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I did feel like it fell off a little bit at the end, but it didn't decrease my enjoyment overall.
03:05 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Kate Oflin is a revelation.
03:09 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's hilarious.
03:12 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, she's the actress that plays Patricia.
03:14 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's fantastic.
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: She adds out adds value to every scene.
03:18 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Both as kind of like, you know, she can bring the crazy, uh, comedically, and she can also play the straight man pretty well.
03:28 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just her facial expression when when Richard finds the face of his wife and he
03:38 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: She thinks that it's, you know, it's such a sweet gesture and then he pushes his thumbs through the plaster eyeballs.
03:48 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Just her face just makes that scene.
03:51 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: She's got so many scenes in this first season that, man, I just, I've just fallen in love with her as an actor.
04:02 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.
04:03 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: General impressions.
04:08 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: we were kind of convinced that Patricia was going to be revealed as the the last of the lineage just because of her sort of reticence to show the um yeah or like to have everything revealed like like she had something to hide and so we were kind of like that was really a tense moment for us so that it so we were so convinced that so that by the time we find out uh
04:33 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Evan.
04:33 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of almost like it was a fun twist, but also kind of like a bit of relief in a weird way.
04:39 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
04:39 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guessed Evan.
04:42 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
04:42 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So I, you know, I've been watching this show with my daughter and I just kind of like threw it out there.
04:49 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I was like, what would be the worst possible scenario for Tom?
04:56 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: and the worst possible scenario would be that it's his son that is the last surviving descendant.
05:04 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I kind of gave up hope when they revealed it was Ruth.
05:10 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, oh, well, I'd make sense.
05:11 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that works too.
05:14 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's later in life and he doesn't really like her anyway.
05:18 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, whoa.
05:21 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: it's basically the classic trolley car dilemma which they'd call out by name in the finale.
05:28 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when it's revealed that it's his son,
05:34 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like, well, the trolley car and dilemma gets thrown out of the window, because you can't kill your son, you know, it's anathema to even consider it, you know.
05:47 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, I was happily surprised even though I had guessed it.
05:51 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Now you said you felt that they had a drop off, but what disappointed you?
05:56 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all right.
05:57 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know this to be the case.
06:03 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: but it felt like they had two plans one if they didn't get renewed for season two and one if they did.
06:13 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I felt like as soon as they were, you know, it was announced that they were renewed for season two, the plot really slowed down quite a bit.
06:22 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, every episode was like a monster of the week kind of episode.
06:26 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: with a specific theme, you know, a jazz theme, a Halloween theme, whatever, and then I felt like the last really three episodes were a slow burn and kind of unresolved at the end.
06:44 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So you felt like it was now, it was like, we went more macro maybe.
06:56 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: and it really felt like the plot twists remained, you know, we got a couple really good plot twists, but in terms of just the pace of the show, it really slowed down.
07:10 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just guessing, I don't know that that is the case, but you know, these the shows, when you enter the first season, not knowing if it's going to be picked up,
07:20 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if these show runners think, well, we're gonna have a season finale that for the pick-up, and we're gonna have a season finale if we've got no news of a pick-up, cause I feel like that's, you almost have to plan for both scenarios.
07:37 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and yet the wonder when this information becomes readily available, right, when the studio or when it's the service,
07:49 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: decides, okay, this is going to be worth going forward.
07:51 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, you could have, you know, you could have three really good episodes and people are flocking to it.
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of buzz.
07:58 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the next three just sort of are duds.
08:00 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it happens.
08:02 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so making decisions to early.
08:05 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
08:06 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I almost wonder if this was designed this way intentionally the whole time where it's like, look, this is how you get eyeballs.
08:13 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_00]: This is
08:16 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: like you said with your monster the week approach and so if you've sort of designed it that way and said look this is you're kind of going to treat everything like it's a pilot in the beginning right to some degree and then but house sustainable is that so then you're like we have a bigger you know maybe bigger story to tell and so we have to now make you know kind of switch things over a little bit because this you could have done
08:38 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: everything that they did in this first season, probably into seasons to, uh, I think yes.
08:44 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And you could probably have done all of this in six episodes.
08:48 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You wanted to.
08:50 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
08:51 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm because they create a lot of the penultimate episode was basically a genealogy reveal.
08:57 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You, right, using using an overhead projector, you know.
09:02 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And there were a couple really funny moments during that that scene.
09:07 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And it, you know, there was a bit of tension, but, you know, that's, it's a little different than having the slasher kill a bunch of people, right?
09:18 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that was, and I did, I guess I had that a similar reaction.
09:22 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess it just didn't, it didn't bother me, but I did notice that my gone, I'm not having those thrills.
09:28 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, like I was initially, and that's one of the things that I like to tune in for.
09:34 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I felt like,
09:36 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: they successfully built a world and established characters to where I was like, all right, this is the path around them.
09:44 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll do that.
09:46 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I think an alternate view, if I was gonna be a bit more forgiving, I could say something like this, it really shows you how confident the show runners are to say like, we're in an entire episode.
10:00 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: that happens in the 1680s or whatever it was.
10:03 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
10:04 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a huge, that's a huge gamble.
10:05 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a gamble.
10:07 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to be pretty gutsy to do it and you got to be pretty confident.
10:10 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The story of that we're telling will be served by this and we don't mind if this slows down the pace of the plot.
10:20 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because you're doing an entire episode where not a single character or someone you've cared about at all.
10:27 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: right and and so it stops all of that but it it was so well done again like that is confidence and that is it is a confident move in the first season because especially when it's and when it's a weekly release um if it if it dropped like like a a handful of episodes like a stranger things or whatever where you could just sit and binge I don't think it would it feels less risky that way because you're gonna watch the next one right away
10:55 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's this one?
10:56 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to wait, you know, like you got just like a taste of Wick, but it totally makes sense to do that for the next, you know, the next couple episodes, for sure.
11:06 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, it's like, so it's, it was the payoff is the following week and you start to get even more payoff with the genealogy because it was, it's good to be there.
11:17 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, I mean, you could have, you could have done it a different way.
11:19 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You maybe you could have done the
11:23 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, episode because then maybe people would have a little bit different of an appetite for it.
11:27 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it worked.
11:27 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was I think was well served to present it that way.
11:31 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I did a risk.
11:33 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, what are you going to do, right?
11:34 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not that many episodes if you're sitting there and you're like, if you're into the show.
11:39 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And then uh, and then episode six drops, you know, and it's like, hey, this is all, you know, in the 1700s.
11:45 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, chances are you're not going to be like, well, I'm not watching that last three.
11:49 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was kind of smart what they did.
11:51 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They dropped two episodes that week.
11:54 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true And so they didn't even know that.
11:56 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know they did.
11:57 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really So we go to catch up and I'm like, hey, there's another episode here from last week So they dropped to so if you if you had known You could have gone directly from The historical the period piece episode and you could have gone right into right into the seasick
12:17 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: which that makes it less risky, right?
12:20 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, it's smart.
12:22 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we didn't know that.
12:24 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was, yeah.
12:26 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, C sickness, I think was my favorite episode of the season.
12:29 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk with the episodes bit by bit.
12:32 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So episode five, this is called What To Expect On Your Trip.
12:38 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: this is the mushroom plot right uh... the locals call it true sight and we get an artist to the the shaman character played by Chris Fleming now had you been aware of Chris Fleming before this uh... i don't i don't know's i mean i recognize but i
13:01 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't know that I've like followed any of like his okay.
13:04 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So I had just watched his Um, his special on HBO.
13:08 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought maybe like maybe you'd seen him do stand up in the city.
13:13 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fantastic special and so I was kind of all in on him and then you know he can for me like I'm sure he's been doing stand up for years and years and years, but for me he just kind of come on my radar.
13:29 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just thought he's this guy's perfect.
13:31 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy is this guy is exactly what the show needs.
13:35 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's so many great laugh lines.
13:39 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And he kind of reveals something about the mystery that we don't know that this particular mushroom has a history, it only grows on this island.
13:51 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he pulls out, you know, he's got a friend who's took this who really meld it out,
13:59 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, you know, you can kind of guess what's going to happen, it turns out that Tom the mayor has already taken the mushrooms.
14:09 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and then the rest of the episode is just kind of him coming to an in and out of blackouts.
14:16 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
14:17 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of those are really great.
14:20 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Him seeing the weird eyeballs.
14:24 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you sort of black out and then he's written on the white bar.
14:28 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He's written on the whiteboard when I turn around everybody closed their eyes.
14:36 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So that particular episode was really enjoyable for me.
14:42 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I thought every episode kind of had a theme from like a popular horror movie or show or something.
14:51 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this one had an analog.
14:55 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you find an analog to this?
15:06 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: famously the maybe the worst trip ever filmed is on friendship.
15:12 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course, yeah, so maybe this is the friendship episode.
15:16 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's interesting because of course the mushrooms
15:20 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes a lot of sense.
15:21 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We also, you know, find out how the pastor Bryce is dead, and he's, you know, scraped on his desk, my eyes open, and I, I had kind of had hope that they would find something from the pastor that would help them along their journey.
15:42 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But in reality, there was nothing there.
15:46 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
15:47 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So was there anything about this episode that struck you as a memorable or interesting?
15:54 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I overall, like the way that it was presented that these trippin, but it wasn't so over the top and convoluted.
16:04 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So it just becomes like, it's looking back through all the episodes and how,
16:11 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: the sort of this awakening and this conversion of the Mayor Tom is really fascinating and we'll get to sort of its culmination as we get to the final episode discussion, but I'd like to say from the eyes and you know there's really nothing that is that surreal about it.
16:36 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
16:36 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, you don't see what he sees, like he's approached by some kind of demon when he's by the toilet.
16:46 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: but you just see his face, right?
16:49 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Other horror, you don't see what he sees.
16:52 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So, interesting, interesting choice for that, right?
17:00 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so, Chris, I mean, I quite appreciated what he added to this.
17:06 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Now the next episode, episode six, our history,
17:11 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I'm calling the witch episode.
17:13 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: This is I felt a little bit like Robert Eger's the witch.
17:18 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, in a lot of ways maybe not as many themes just in terms of it being a period piece and New England.
17:29 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The main actress in this is Betty Gilpin, which to me I thought is that the same actress who does Patricia and I had to look it up.
17:39 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_01]: very similar and I thought are they doing something am I am I am I meant to think that these two are related but by the end of the episode I am that's pretty pretty sure that they were not and I don't know if you got this but right after the wedding vows which were interesting Sarah Westcott gets introduced to our new children
18:10 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: and then Richard has to leave abruptly because the bell rings five times.
18:23 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of knowing what we know about the bell tolling.
18:28 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That might suggest that the island demon wants five souls, right?
18:34 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
18:37 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Sarah and five children in that episode by going out to see, but we know that France survives.
18:48 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so then that becomes your five, right?
18:50 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So that might become the five.
18:52 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm wondering if that's what we're meant to gather from that.
18:57 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm a little unclear because the it seems as though the that that room, the chair serves as a sacrifice like location right.
19:09 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, or it could be that that is what the, I mean, now we're fast-forwarding to the finale, but it could be that that chair is just how the 1950s Islanders decided that that's how they were going to execute these folks.
19:26 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So they just created this as a spot for that.
19:29 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Because according to, we find out in the next episode, see sickness.
19:39 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Richard, his preferred way to be executed is just to go out to see beyond the place that the sailors fear.
19:48 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So it could be that, you know, they don't have an electric chair back then and how are you going to kill people?
19:54 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we know that this kills people.
19:57 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But the other, I guess the other way to look at it is that once you go beyond the place to say there's fear, the island kind of
20:09 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_00]: right and and it but there's also like a boundary issue right so like if you're if you're born on the island you're gonna die if you go beyond and is that is that considered a sacrifice or is that a punishment from the island yeah I don't know so this so because I got the sense that like the release of the sacrifice concept is it's an it's an attonian right I mean these because people would leave the island and die that's not they they don't know
20:40 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Since like the island wants some kind of ritual that involves the fear of the people that likes the taste of the fear Right because they may again fast forward into the file episode.
20:50 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean nobody's attaching Ken to the chair or anything.
20:54 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the island
20:56 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: whatever right okay so Ken is the he's the facility worker yeah okay so he gets got by the island but he doesn't get he just had just by being in that room yeah that's why I feel like maybe that room still serves right purpose because he has because I mean Richard got his whole basement you know tunnel system which
21:26 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else from our history?
21:29 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I, again, going back just again to the, to the show runners were creating a disruptive episode that, um, that still feels, it still feels like you're in the world like they did do a good job of just like, you know, they don't, they don't lose sort of the aura of, of widow's bay, even though, um, it's all new characters and whole, you know, there's,
21:55 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's it's it's frightening, but it's also there's just a there's a very interesting balance that they strike in every episode.
22:05 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is interesting.
22:06 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I was a little bit sour on the overhead projector discussion of the genealogy, but I think that that works because you've already given so much, you've already fleshed out that story with this episode, you know, you given me an entire episode.
22:27 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_01]: the depicts.
22:28 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you know you know where it's coming from.
22:30 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The origin story.
22:30 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and if you just do a little bit of flashbacks here and there, I don't think you get quite the the richness of what the world is trying to create a little bit like
22:48 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_01]: is like a medieval story where there's a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a
23:03 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of gets brought into the modern world, but the entire first five minutes of that movie, it's almost a period piece before you're jumping into the 1950s.
23:14 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So a little bit, this episode's a little bit, functions in the same way.
23:21 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the episode, our history, we see Wick and Patricia digging up the coffin.
23:32 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: and then that brings us to my favorite episode, Sea Cygnus.
23:38 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: This had a lot of the most funny parts of the entire episode.
23:44 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also kind of the most supernatural event that we've seen.
23:51 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Guy and a coffin for three hundred years.
23:54 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's dug up and I mean just some Patricia coming in and out of the room when I'd be before they discussed the packed hilarious Ham holding on to the piece of paper and then Richard says that he had to sign the pack with his blood feces and seamen
24:21 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the look on his face.
24:23 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The look on his face.
24:24 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you noticed this on that little scroll of paper.
24:30 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a little drawing.
24:33 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, almost like a wicker man little kind of drawing.
24:37 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
24:37 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:38 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Which I was not expecting because, you know, we got the hand drawing previous to that.
24:45 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, I don't know what I'm supposed to make of that, is that a drawing of the demon is that the signature of the demon, I don't know.
24:52 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: In the, by the end of this episode, all of the jaw stuff, because, you know, there's a discussion of how dangerous it is, and then there's the singing, right, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and then you have wicks sort of confession.
25:04 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his monologue of something that happened in the past, the sort of, let's see, yes, very, very, very jaw esteemed.
25:15 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And then by the end, Tom gets to become a hero, which is a major shift in his character.
25:22 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, at the beginning of the episode, he's described as a weak man.
25:26 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's really how Wick has always viewed him.
25:29 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and so this is the thing, right?
25:31 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So we've seen, so this journey with Tom is kind of fascinating.
25:35 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is a good point to sort of pause this because I think the next three build up to his,
25:45 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: what is appears to be going to his final form.
25:48 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:49 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so you have sort of this, you have a skeptic, but he's not, I don't even know if you go so far, as to say skeptic in the beginning, I mean, he's just a full-on non-believer, right?
26:00 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the impression that we get.
26:02 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the impression we get.
26:04 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: There's obviously, you know, there's enough history and lore that he knows enough about it, but he's not.
26:10 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: he's he's either indenial or he's opportunistic or uh... you know whatever you know it's it's again like we talked about he's these the mayor from jaz
26:23 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, the mayor from JAWS has sort of defining characteristic is that he's ignorant, but he is almost willfully ignorant.
26:34 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He refused to open his eyes because he's doing things for commerce, right?
26:39 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows what he's ignorant about.
26:41 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:42 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he's doing that and he behaves that
26:51 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_00]: just by the nature of the show, I am kind of what we think we're getting into, we're more believers, right?
26:58 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we see him as both protagonists and antagonists.
27:04 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a deeply flawed protagonist, right?
27:10 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And we want to understand what makes him this way.
27:14 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And he keeps, in the first few episodes, he's getting pretty clear evidence.
27:20 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: and he still sort of holds off, right?
27:22 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause it's like it's a lot to take in.
27:24 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's an interesting notion, because I don't think it's reserved just to sort of this understanding of the supernatural, but just the idea of when you get new information and how do you pivot, right?
27:41 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it's not to get to,
27:44 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_00]: allegorical about, you know, where we are as a nation and I don't think it's it's it's just this time frame that we're in But I think it goes for almost any time frame is that you you have a certain set of ethics you have a certain set of beliefs and And everything is fine as long as everything is fine And anytime something sort of upsets that or requires new information to come along or you see The baby the the things that have shaped your ethics a little differently
28:13 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: you have a choice.
28:15 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You have a choice.
28:15 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to keep pressing into that and then unpacking that and deciding that maybe that means that you need to adapt to new information and that might actually change your entire lifestyle.
28:23 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Or you dig in and you hold on to that and say, look, I'm not ready to upset everything.
28:28 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't upset everything that is my life because then I, I'm going to have to wrestle with whatever regret that there may be for having lived in ignorance.
28:39 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So you hold fast of these things and you live in this sort of where the concept of just being in denial is, right?
28:44 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But at some point, with any kind of denial, you would assume, and think of some people can't quite let things go.
28:50 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But you have to just come to terms with the facts that what you thought was is not really the case.
28:57 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we're seeing that with him.
28:58 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's getting, you know, it's pursued by clowns.
29:02 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a, yeah, he's, he sees video of himself talking to no one and, you know, he's still kind of like, you know, you know, things be like that.
29:13 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we just see this, and so we get to, I think ultimately we get to the, the, the trip episode.
29:24 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: the thought is that maybe that's and it's an opportunity to to open up right and it could be in some ways maybe like Dumbo's Black Feather like he's he's given a reason to you know a turning point that that's it's a it's a manufactured moment where he can have a turning point and be like okay well I see things differently now now maybe he actually did just come to terms with the fact that he just can't be this way anymore um
29:53 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well he has like a like he's he's complex in that his cowardice almost has like a three point constellation was like I'm on team rationality or I we're we're about the money you know let's let's build the island or that stuff is weird and I can't make sense of it I can't make sense of what
30:23 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's almost like he's got this constellation where he can fall back on one of these other things.
30:30 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And even if he does experience something that's honest to goodness supernatural, it's really difficult.
30:37 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I'm on team rationality, but you talk to a lot of people who have experienced something that they interpret it as a ghost, but they don't live their life that way.
30:49 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, that was just a weird aberration that happened to me one time, but I don't live like there's ghosts around every corner.
30:58 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So right, but the flip side of that says, well, but what would be different about your world if that's if that one blip is indicative of everything that we like.
31:11 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, is that going to be a paradigm shift?
31:14 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is that going to just
31:17 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, are you going to are you okay with the idea that there may be an entire supernatural world surrounding you, but it may not always impact you, so you're just going to continue to just do what you've always done, or do you decide to like like the wicks of the world.
31:30 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Go, this is everything, this is
31:34 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: there's something because it's almost it almost becomes religious to some degree it's like look there's something bigger than us out there really something tangential to us and if we just ignore it then we're actually ignoring life to some degree and so you know wicked you could make the argument is not really interested in in really engaging in in the natural life that's around them so much as it is
32:04 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like after the, you know, after he defeats the undead, the undead former mayor and they return to shore.
32:19 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That brings us to episode eight, your baggage.
32:24 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a sense in which, well, this actually might work out like they defeated the, the source of the problem.
32:32 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got a bunch of tourists, it's sunny.
32:37 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Looks like everything might just work out for the better.
32:41 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, that is the most horrific episode of all because it's the slasher, all right.
32:48 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought it was really funny that when the murder mask has been stolen,
32:56 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And the artifact is just labeled in the museum murder mask.
33:02 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That was really good.
33:04 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought Patricia was amazing in this episode.
33:07 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Taser gag was fantastic.
33:12 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the taste for me not work against the monster, but it's going to work somehow.
33:16 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, I might, I might use it against a school bully instead.
33:21 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
33:22 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That was fantastic.
33:25 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a lot of history with Halloween.
33:29 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, maybe this episode didn't, it didn't really have any nostalgia for me.
33:33 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I just kind of recognized it as, oh, this is their homage to a slasher film.
33:38 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
33:40 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very much Halloween.
33:41 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Very much the, you know, the name checked.
33:45 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in Halloween, he's referred to as the bogeyman.
33:49 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is he?
33:50 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that.
33:51 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
33:52 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Dr. Loomus, I think they use bogeyman lore to sort of describe Michael Myers.
34:01 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you see Halloween?
34:02 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: No, never seen any of them.
34:06 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we have fixed that.
34:08 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we will.
34:09 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point, this is also the episode where Tom's son can front some.
34:18 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
34:19 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_00]: About this is a big episode because this is the big big.
34:23 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big episode.
34:24 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It's big reveals.
34:25 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's full of different types of emotions.
34:28 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it puts the, I should put, you know, we have our
34:37 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, gotta get this baby borne off the island concept, which is, which is heavy and it's like it's a really, uh, it introduces a whole new set of props because now it's now the sheriff's wife.
34:50 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we get a reveal that the shell is pregnant, right?
34:53 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
34:53 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So we have this, um, this episode is the one where I think like we all become believers, right?
35:01 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's clear.
35:02 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we, even the sheriff believes, right?
35:05 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's like there's it's it's all it's it's like it's like that the island is out it right I mean at this point There's probably nobody really left that I mean that that that could question that they have any knowledge right It's almost like the pattern of the island and who knows how often the island wakes up, but it's almost like the pattern is We're gonna scare enough people into true believers so that the island can form a council
35:35 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_01]: and decide who gets to be the sacrifice right and now enough people believe that you could imagine well if all the authority figures believe this is true then you could see you could see the island forming a council a death council of some kind right and it's because it's a it's a yeah I mean it's in islands of us interest apparently
36:03 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, all right.
36:05 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So this, I had a little bit of a problem with this.
36:07 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of funny to have Pam hold the shotgun to the booky man's head until he was fully burned.
36:18 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you just jump cut, jump cut, jump cut until fully burned.
36:22 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she's like, okay, and she walks away.
36:24 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a funny gag and yet it almost was a departure from, like, I'm just thinking like,
36:34 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_01]: we don't want to do, we don't want to take off the mask, see what this guy looks like, we don't want to do it for Enzyc, you know, we don't want to see how old this guy was, or we don't want to save some of this guy's DNA, like she doesn't want, she just wants this thing gone.
36:49 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but this town has a sheriff and a corner, and I, yeah, this town, this town that has also a history of a real bad things.
37:04 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of a gag it worked, I thought it was funny, in terms of sort of a believable plot development, it kind of didn't work for me.
37:15 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I can see that.
37:15 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to take off the guys mask.
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see what it looks like.
37:18 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're not going to burn the guy that's taking off his mask.
37:22 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's kind of every, uh,
37:24 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Like every horror movie is more, I mean, you see that.
37:28 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you do have some horror movies that are like, we want to see what he like.
37:32 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I like was it like Jason with a fried protein.
37:35 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Five, you know, they're really keen on, I gotta see what he looks like.
37:40 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a lot of catching up to do.
37:42 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say this.
37:44 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Of the, you know, I'm sort of new to the horror genre, but slasher, the slasher genre is my least favorite of these things.
37:55 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really curious to see your feelings on the original Halloween considering that it is, there's almost like no blood.
38:04 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I will, I'm curious.
38:07 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious.
38:09 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I recently watched a change, it changes from sequels perspective, but
38:17 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Carpenter, you know, obviously working on a shoe string budget, you know, there are certain things they can't afford, but then you, so, but then you get Friday the 13th and Friday the 13th decides it wants to go the other direction, so Friday the 13th wants to be wants to be more graphic and what to be more bloody, so.
38:37 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: it's it's almost a response to to Halloween's you know well I mean I would say Halloween certainly falls into this the slasher genre because there is a slashing that happens it in terms of the like graphic nature of the kills it's it's it's a little more subtle
39:00 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe we should cover that on this podcast.
39:05 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know when that will happen.
39:07 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The last two episodes will take as a single unit, because I do think that it's sort of an extended plotline.
39:18 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We end this episode.
39:20 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We end the panel with a clear course of action.
39:29 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have the whole genealogy revealed, we know that Francis has lived, we get a little bit of a flashback to the period piece again.
39:43 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Chris Fleming gets sucked into the storm, which about was pretty good.
39:51 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He went back for his white socks.
39:54 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean these.
39:57 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And then by the end of that episode, it's like, okay, well, Tom Thomas a man of action now.
40:05 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He knows that people's lives are at stake.
40:07 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a, you know, he's got a clear sort of angel on one shoulder and devil on the other shoulder and wicken and patty.
40:16 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And now he's got to make a decision.
40:18 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we leave that episode with him heading over to Ruth's house.
40:25 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And then in the finale, we got a few different things going on.
40:27 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, it's him going to Ruth's house and kind of learning her deep dark secret that kind of changes the way he views, the trolley car, dilemma.
40:42 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We find out that the shelters actually the official place for the human sacrifice.
40:51 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_01]: we return to the electric chair.
40:54 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We hear that the old-time e-voice come over the PA system saying it's time don't beg.
41:05 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And in the instructional video it says that it's one soul for each bell toll and then it just says it likes the taste of fear.
41:15 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that particular episode ends with, uh, we hear eight, eight bell rings from the church, suggesting that the island dim is demanding eight human sacrifices.
41:33 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that this is almost one episode.
41:36 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I almost felt like, um, overall I enjoyed myself with these episodes, but I did notice the change in pace and it did make me wonder whether or not they are saving some bullets for future seasons.
41:51 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
41:54 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was, I was okay with the pace because I think, again, it's the transformer
42:00 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: of nature of Tom's character and how I think you need a certain level of patience to go from skeptic to sort of almost agnostic to leave her to now, now he's the scariest of all
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: matters in a way that it never did before.
42:28 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's one thing to believe that the island is cursed.
42:31 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's another thing to believe that you must do something for the island to some degree.
42:38 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's, do something for the island in a way that will save your son's life.
42:44 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
42:45 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And so now you look at, and like, okay, so we could be looking at a season two,
42:54 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he wants to perpetuate the curse now, because that's the only way to get his son alive, I guess.
43:00 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, either, either, yeah, because now it's like he could set everybody free, because he could, you know, it's, it's your biblical sacrifice, right?
43:11 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He could take his son out on the boat.
43:14 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They could be, he could take him to Boston.
43:17 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go to the Sox game.
43:19 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's could all be over.
43:21 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
43:21 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, he almost saved the island without knowing it without knowing it.
43:25 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
43:26 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder whether or not, and maybe this will be the first episode of season two, but I do wonder whether or not the island would let that particular boy leave.
43:35 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you could almost view it as the island saved Francis, in order to perpetuate the bloodline, right?
43:45 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if the island actually allows
43:52 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Evan, Evan, I, I, I almost wonder whether the island would even allow Evan to die.
43:59 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Not without a fight, right?
44:00 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have almost things like that.
44:01 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, sure, sure, sure.
44:03 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I have a couple of questions relative to this, these final two episodes.
44:10 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that some of the people who have already died are legitimately part of the eight souls that were are required?
44:21 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels, well, it's interesting, because there's the five bells and the five deaths, but again, that's also bloodline.
44:31 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:32 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:32 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't necessarily seem like that would work.
44:39 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
44:40 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going back.
44:41 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder, like, how many people have died?
44:43 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, did the Hag kill anyone?
44:45 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the the the the Boogieman definitely killed the paramedic.
44:53 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wonder if we go back to, I think episode one, like, like, there's a sailor who comes back and dies.
45:03 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
45:03 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Because of the fog or whatever.
45:04 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it can the island just take
45:08 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Or does it have to be sacrificed?
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a question.
45:11 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it probably does require eight, like actual ritualized sacrifices.
45:18 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
45:19 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't think it's a death would just be death.
45:21 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there's something about sort of people going knowingly to the tribunal and being, what does it say, the little instructional
45:37 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: um you've been found wanting in some way you've committed a crime you owe a debt to society or you've been found wanting in some way all right so that's that's why you're a sacrifice and don't question it you know you're
45:56 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The decision is unassailable, so I think that there's something about the island wanting to sort of draw out the ritual of it so that people experience fear.
46:21 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You ate, you ate are going to your death.
46:24 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That was kind of my major question coming out of this episode.
46:28 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Will there be a people chosen?
46:32 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
46:32 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we even have affection for eight people on the silent?
46:35 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
46:35 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And so is that, and what is the season?
46:38 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Is the season, you know, they haven't getting ate?
46:43 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And he has to do it.
46:44 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, wow, this is now becoming almost the dexter type show.
46:48 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
46:50 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just no, no, no, they're telling for sure, right?
46:54 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And how like, will he tell a son?
46:56 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, can a son live with that kind of information?
46:59 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Does his son decide to take matters into his own hands?
47:04 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
47:06 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
47:07 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel like there's enough story left for a season two?
47:12 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, because it's an island
47:22 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_00]: lost piece of PTSD that I my I guess and it's the same way I think I ended up feeling about lost is like I'm less interested in ever finding out why the island is what it is.
47:40 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: To me the story is how people co-exist with the island like you know I'm like almost I'm less concerned about
47:49 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: defeating the island as opposed to just managing it.
47:53 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Like to me, that's a much more interesting story.
47:57 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So I almost feel like you need to bring in some new characters for a season two.
48:02 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you, because, you know, these are beloved characters or whatever, but you almost need someone who doesn't believe.
48:11 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You almost need someone from the mainland who's like, is this, is this show going to turn into like,
48:16 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_00]: are we going to fast forward like a few years and you just find out now the basically that time is is got everybody on board and saying look if you can't beat it and you just open up your your tourist lanes for for for sacrifice.
48:35 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I get a fantasy island.
48:37 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_00]: but he just bring people in and feed him to the island, right?
48:43 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because now you've got it because of Sheriff's baby's born.
48:46 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, he's stuck.
48:49 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to feed this island or do you want to help me or do you think you're going to win?
48:56 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you think you're going to do?
48:57 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The only way to do that is to kill my son in parallel.
49:00 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Or, okay, so here's a good question.
49:04 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point,
49:05 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Is Tom the only one that knows that Evan is the last remaining bloodline?
49:10 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
49:11 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't did the sheriff catch that.
49:15 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the sheriff knows.
49:17 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the sheriff was almost a man.
49:20 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Like because at one point he says she's not the last one and he says that to save Ruth's life and then he says who, who, and Tom doesn't reveal.
49:34 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: their sheriff doesn't it could be that Tom just keeps it a big secret but if if Tom knows and the chair knows the Tom knows is that yeah because the sheriff now comes down to your your your child or my child right tell me because it will save my child's life and of course Tom won't do it because he's trying to protect his own child
49:59 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I can see the sheriff in the mayor at odds, you know, that'd be a very jaws theme, right?
50:07 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:08 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think you bring in maybe a detective or, you know,
50:14 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone, molder in school, I don't know, you bring in someone from the mainland who is coming to investigate because this island has gotten some publicity and maybe some of the tourists didn't return or something.
50:31 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that you need someone who is almost sits in that tom role, who is not a true believer yet, to make the show continue to go.
50:43 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that's probably where they're going to go with this.
50:45 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Bring it in outside or so that the island can kind of reveal itself to that outside that particular person, maybe that person stays in the death motel.
51:01 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_00]: the storm stops and everything seems peaceful so like the perspective is like oh well Tom did it you know right well how about you are you looking forward to a second season or do you feel like you could just wrap up then and I think this was fantastic storytelling I am cautiously optimistic about season two I think that they've got a little bit more story to tell
51:31 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I feel like if it takes a different like because of where Tom has has traveled and then who has become, I feel like you could really do.
51:40 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You could create a pretty interesting new story with Tom, you know, the fee shifts and becomes basically becomes, you know, basically becomes the just the modern version of the founder.
52:00 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I want them to discover a cave, that's what I want.
52:04 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You can do a lot with a cave, you want to smoke monster from lost.
52:09 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I want a cave, I want some ancient iconography.
52:12 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I want them to be some kind of artifacts that they've found from, you know, the 1600s.
52:23 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I want them to find some notes at the pastor, jot it down.
52:26 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_01]: At one point, the pastor was reading letters from a previous pastor.
52:31 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_01]: or before he killed himself he was like um he was reading some journal entries from the previous passage that I hope this will never fall to you but and we didn't really hear what those notes said so I think that there's more to discover and right um they could if they wanted to and I don't
52:57 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_01]: because we saw him fly away, but we didn't see him actually die.
53:02 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
53:03 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, there are things that are that were left unresolved and they, you know, at the time, if you just look at it right now, you go, oh, well, just stuff that just adds to the, to the mystery and the creepiness, but there are, they become paths that you can go down.
53:23 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, into a second season.
53:24 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:27 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Steve, what are our plans for properly how we're going forward?
53:32 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you announcing retirement?
53:35 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but things are changing a little bit in my life.
53:39 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm moving house, I'm moving in the basketball, I'll be in town with you.
53:44 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know, I know people of fanbase, you know,
53:54 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're coming into town, does that mean that this will be filmed for like YouTube?
53:59 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I doubt it, because I can guarantee you that the longer that I live, the less whatogenic I will be.
54:10 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we're a mask.
54:12 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We could be like, we could be like death punk.
54:15 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll just have like helmets.
54:20 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I was I was wondering like once you and I are like having drinks at twin oaks Or will there be an impetus to have a weekly?
54:32 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're saying that because you know, we'll just be we'll just be regular friends again
54:37 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_00]: that this will we won't we won't make that this maybe was really won't be an excuse yeah these are trying to fill uh... these are trying to fill relational gaps these episodes yeah i don't know who knows what'll happen and that that or maybe even our dynamic just it's just changes because of ready access to each other and maybe i fall into the grand canyon on my way back to california that would be it
55:09 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless I'm wearing my Daft Punk helmet.
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