Nevermind the Music

Nevermind the Music

The podcast about the songs you love and why you love them! Join us each week as two friends, one a music professor and one a psychology professor, hang out and deep dive about one iconic song. Laugh and learn with us about songwriting, the brain, and pop culture.


Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com and check us out on social media @NeverMusicPod


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Nevermind the Music is published by the Lorehounds

Bonus! Mark and Jean Talk the New Earth, Wind & Fire Documentary
Nevermind the MusicJuly 02, 202600:53:4649.23 MB

Bonus! Mark and Jean Talk the New Earth, Wind & Fire Documentary

Another Questlove doc? That means another bonus episode! Lorehounds contributor Jean joins Mark to talk about the new documentary, Earth, Wind & Fire (To Be Celestial vs That’s the Weight of the World) . They talk about the many sides - good and regrettable - of the band’s mastermind, Maurice White,...

‘Africa’ by Toto and Why Memories and Chord Progressions are Liars
Nevermind the MusicJune 30, 202601:15:1368.86 MB

‘Africa’ by Toto and Why Memories and Chord Progressions are Liars

Does that love song really remind them of you, or is it actually their previous partner? In this week’s episode, we revel in Toto’s 1982 masterpiece “Africa.” Nichole talks about how our memories play tricks on us, and how different people react to ambiguity. Meanwhile, Mark takes us on another inve...

Sidetrack - Realizing You Were a Knucklehead (with Rob Harvilla)
Nevermind the MusicJune 23, 202600:58:4153.73 MB

Sidetrack - Realizing You Were a Knucklehead (with Rob Harvilla)

Have you ever hated a song or an artist only to change your mind later? This week, we are thrilled to welcome rock critic and host of the 60 Songs That Explain the ‘90s podcast, Rob Harvilla. We reveal those embarrassing times we were dead wrong about an iconic artist… and one of us may have put som...

‘Don’t Speak’ by No Doubt and the Chameleon Pivot
Nevermind the MusicJune 16, 202601:02:0456.83 MB

‘Don’t Speak’ by No Doubt and the Chameleon Pivot

Have you ever had that friend who seemed to change their whole personality each time they had a new relationship? No? Then you’re probably that friend! This week, we vibe with No Doubt’s 1995 radio smash “Don’t Speak.” Nichole argues that No Doubt vocalist Gwen Stefani’s changing styles is a great e...

Sidetrack - Season 2 Mailbag 3
Nevermind the MusicJune 09, 202601:02:1356.96 MB

Sidetrack - Season 2 Mailbag 3

Why do violinists hate violists? Is Flipper actually evil? We comb through the listeners’ increasingly deranged questions with another Mailbag episode! Hear listeners test Nichole’s rhythm and shill their music in another fun check-in with our audience.  Music heard in this episode: Eight Foot Manch...

‘Luther’ by Kendrick Lamar (feat. SZA) and the Triangular Melodies of Love
Nevermind the MusicJune 02, 202601:03:0457.75 MB

‘Luther’ by Kendrick Lamar (feat. SZA) and the Triangular Melodies of Love

Are things getting a bit companionate or maybe just fatuous? In this episode, we swoon to Kendrick Lamar and Sza’s 2024 slow jam “Luther.” Mark goes gaga over the surprising long-term trajectory of this song’s melody. Since we know our listeners always fall for a good classification system, this wee...

Sidetrack - How Music Can Control Your Emotions (with Sadie Higgins)
Nevermind the MusicMay 26, 202600:44:4440.96 MB

Sidetrack - How Music Can Control Your Emotions (with Sadie Higgins)

What’s the perfect playlist to bring you from rage to bliss? This week, we welcome writer and Tedx speaker Sadie Higgins. Sadie talks to us about how we can use music in our everyday lives to regulate our emotions and find a sense of community. Will Nichole actually sing on-mic? Join us for a fun co...

‘Toxicity’ by System of a Down and the Changing Tempos of Cognitive Dissonance
Nevermind the MusicMay 19, 202601:23:2976.43 MB

‘Toxicity’ by System of a Down and the Changing Tempos of Cognitive Dissonance

Is this the most “L.A.” band of the 2000s? This week, somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep is System of a Down’s 2001 rock hit “Toxicity.” Nichole talks us through the idea of cognitive dissonance, and ends up aiming her sights in the general direction of this band, while Mark takes us thr...

Sidetrack - When Artists Take Up a Cause (with Jessica Ilyse Kurn and Michael Stewart Foley)
Nevermind the MusicMay 12, 202600:58:3153.58 MB

Sidetrack - When Artists Take Up a Cause (with Jessica Ilyse Kurn and Michael Stewart Foley)

What motivates an artist to go beyond performative tweets and truly advocate for a cause they care about? This week, we are joined by Jessica Ilyse Kurn and Michael Stewart Foley, co-hosts of Against the Grain: The Farm Aid Podcast. For over forty years, the Farm Aid music festival has brought legen...

‘Fast Car’ by Tracy Chapman and the Locus of Storytelling
Nevermind the MusicMay 05, 202601:15:4269.31 MB

‘Fast Car’ by Tracy Chapman and the Locus of Storytelling

Is 47.5 times through a guitar riff enough? This week, we grab a ticket to anywhere with Tracy Chapman’s thoughtful 1988 ballad “Fast Car.” Nichole relates this song to people’s sense of whether they are in control of their lives, and, Here in episode #89, Mark finally starts listening to lyrics, an...